Re: [Ducati] Cal Crutchlow's so-called "jump start" ...
Pags...
..you wrote:
Maybe, the "rule" is bullshit, if we're splitting hairs on it. The penalty is exactly what they described.
No, that's again the opposite of what I said -- here again, in verbatim: "Never liked the guy, but this is a bullshit penalty" -- i.e., the penalty for breaking that rule is bullshit."
Hence, the rule is okay, but the draconian penalty for breaking it is bullshit.
-- peer
*"Never liked the guy, but this is a bullshit penalty" *
That can be interpreted in two ways, but I understand what you're saying.
English can get complicated, or I should say (for lack of a better word)
stupid sometimes. Obviously, that's questionable because some will say that
the person who's reading/listening is the stupid one. That's the kind of
innuendo I'm sensing from you there, Peer đ You must be European: Either
British, French or some kind of an a-hole :) :) just kidding.
Back on track: So you're basically saying - The punishment does not fit the
crime. I think it's a perfect punishment.
What kind of penalty do you think is not BS in this case?
On Tue, Apr 2, 2019 at 2:41 PM Peer Landa peer@ccrma.stanford.edu wrote:
Pags...
..you wrote:
Maybe, the "rule" is bullshit, if we're splitting hairs on it. The
penalty is exactly what they described.
No, that's again the opposite of what I said -- here again, in verbatim:
"Never liked the guy, but this is a bullshit penalty" -- i.e., the penalty
for breaking that rule is bullshit."
Hence, the rule is okay, but the draconian penalty for breaking it is
bullshit.
-- peer
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I started to craft some clever penalties, until I got myself mixed up, and
realized it could easily end up with a bunch of riders trying to calculate
how much to push the rule, and everybody is jumping the light. Before it
started devolving and I gave up, my thinking went something like this: give
up a position if your bike moves but does not go over the box line, two
positions if it moves and crosses the box line, ride through if the front
axle crosses, ..... nevermind.
Not really related, and I'm not sure why, but I am reminded back to when I
used to chase my friend around the twisties of the San Francisco Bay Area.
I did not need to see around the bend to know it was safe to pass when I
saw my friend passing a car 1 or 2 cars ahead of me. Of course, I picked up
a ticket or two for passing on the double yellow this way.
On Tue, 2 Apr 2019 at 12:12, Lan Max nolanmaxxx@gmail.com wrote:
*"Never liked the guy, but this is a bullshit penalty" *
That can be interpreted in two ways, but I understand what you're saying.
English can get complicated, or I should say (for lack of a better word)
stupid sometimes. Obviously, that's questionable because some will say that
the person who's reading/listening is the stupid one. That's the kind of
innuendo I'm sensing from you there, Peer đ You must be European: Either
British, French or some kind of an a-hole :) :) just kidding.
Back on track: So you're basically saying - The punishment does not fit the
crime. I think it's a perfect punishment.
What kind of penalty do you think is not BS in this case?
On Tue, Apr 2, 2019 at 2:41 PM Peer Landa peer@ccrma.stanford.edu wrote:
Pags...
..you wrote:
Maybe, the "rule" is bullshit, if we're splitting hairs on it. The
penalty is exactly what they described.
No, that's again the opposite of what I said -- here again, in verbatim:
"Never liked the guy, but this is a bullshit penalty" -- i.e., the
penalty
for breaking that rule is bullshit."
Hence, the rule is okay, but the draconian penalty for breaking it is
bullshit.
-- peer
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Lan, do you really think that a ride through penalty that put you into last place in the race was appropriate for an action that gained the rider absolutely no advantage whatsoever at the beginning of the race? I donât have a problem with race direction being strict about not moving while the lights are on, but I would suggest that it might be nice to not have such a rubber stamp penalty. There should be room for discretion on the part of the officials to assign a punishment a bit more appropriate for the crime.
STeve
On Apr 2, 2019, at 3:11 PM, Lan Max nolanmaxxx@gmail.com wrote:
*"Never liked the guy, but this is a bullshit penalty" *
That can be interpreted in two ways, but I understand what you're saying.
English can get complicated, or I should say (for lack of a better word)
stupid sometimes. Obviously, that's questionable because some will say that
the person who's reading/listening is the stupid one. That's the kind of
innuendo I'm sensing from you there, Peer đ You must be European: Either
British, French or some kind of an a-hole :) :) just kidding.
Back on track: So you're basically saying - The punishment does not fit the
crime. I think it's a perfect punishment.
What kind of penalty do you think is not BS in this case?
On Tue, Apr 2, 2019 at 2:41 PM Peer Landa peer@ccrma.stanford.edu wrote:
Pags...
..you wrote:
Maybe, the "rule" is bullshit, if we're splitting hairs on it. The
penalty is exactly what they described.
No, that's again the opposite of what I said -- here again, in verbatim:
"Never liked the guy, but this is a bullshit penalty" -- i.e., the penalty
for breaking that rule is bullshit."
Hence, the rule is okay, but the draconian penalty for breaking it is
bullshit.
-- peer
And discretion makes for controversy. If it gave him a 2 foot advantage and he crashed into someone, then what?
Fuck it. Le Mans style starts from now on. Am I right STeve?
Pags
On Apr 2, 2019, at 6:23 PM, Stephen Abramson desmo900cr@gmail.com wrote:
Lan, do you really think that a ride through penalty that put you into last place in the race was appropriate for an action that gained the rider absolutely no advantage whatsoever at the beginning of the race? I donât have a problem with race direction being strict about not moving while the lights are on, but I would suggest that it might be nice to not have such a rubber stamp penalty. There should be room for discretion on the part of the officials to assign a punishment a bit more appropriate for the crime.
STeve
On Apr 2, 2019, at 3:11 PM, Lan Max nolanmaxxx@gmail.com wrote:
*"Never liked the guy, but this is a bullshit penalty" *
That can be interpreted in two ways, but I understand what you're saying.
English can get complicated, or I should say (for lack of a better word)
stupid sometimes. Obviously, that's questionable because some will say that
the person who's reading/listening is the stupid one. That's the kind of
innuendo I'm sensing from you there, Peer đ You must be European: Either
British, French or some kind of an a-hole :) :) just kidding.
Back on track: So you're basically saying - The punishment does not fit the
crime. I think it's a perfect punishment.
What kind of penalty do you think is not BS in this case?
On Tue, Apr 2, 2019 at 2:41 PM Peer Landa peer@ccrma.stanford.edu wrote:
Pags...
..you wrote:
Maybe, the "rule" is bullshit, if we're splitting hairs on it. The
penalty is exactly what they described.
No, that's again the opposite of what I said -- here again, in verbatim:
"Never liked the guy, but this is a bullshit penalty" -- i.e., the penalty
for breaking that rule is bullshit."
Hence, the rule is okay, but the draconian penalty for breaking it is
bullshit.
-- peer
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They could do the AMA Superbike stunt of rolling starts. That seemed to
work well....
-Bob
On Tue, Apr 2, 2019, 18:29 Tony Pagliaroli ajpags@gmail.com wrote:
And discretion makes for controversy. If it gave him a 2 foot advantage
and he crashed into someone, then what?
Fuck it. Le Mans style starts from now on. Am I right STeve?
Pags
On Apr 2, 2019, at 6:23 PM, Stephen Abramson desmo900cr@gmail.com
wrote:
Lan, do you really think that a ride through penalty that put you into
last place in the race was appropriate for an action that gained the rider
absolutely no advantage whatsoever at the beginning of the race? I donât
have a problem with race direction being strict about not moving while the
lights are on, but I would suggest that it might be nice to not have such a
rubber stamp penalty. There should be room for discretion on the part of
the officials to assign a punishment a bit more appropriate for the crime.
STeve
On Apr 2, 2019, at 3:11 PM, Lan Max nolanmaxxx@gmail.com wrote:
*"Never liked the guy, but this is a bullshit penalty" *
That can be interpreted in two ways, but I understand what you're
saying.
English can get complicated, or I should say (*for lack of a better
word*)
stupid sometimes. Obviously, that's questionable because some will say
that
the person who's reading/listening is the stupid one. That's the kind of
innuendo I'm sensing from you there, Peer đ You must be European:
Either
British, French or some kind of an a-hole :) :) just kidding.
Back on track: So you're basically saying - The punishment does not fit
the
crime. I think it's a perfect punishment.
What kind of penalty do you think is not BS in this case?
On Tue, Apr 2, 2019 at 2:41 PM Peer Landa peer@ccrma.stanford.edu
wrote:
Pags...
..you wrote:
Maybe, the "rule" is bullshit, if we're splitting hairs on it. The
penalty is exactly what they described.
No, that's again the opposite of what I said -- here again, in
verbatim:
"Never liked the guy, but this is a bullshit penalty" -- i.e., the
penalty
for breaking that rule is bullshit."
Hence, the rule is okay, but the draconian penalty for breaking it is
bullshit.
-- peer
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Le Mans style? Is that where they all run across the track to where the
cars are lined up, then pull out at will?
What the heck, why not. It would certainly help start and inflame grudges.
But, how about going one more step: the bikes are lined up on opposite
sides of the track, half on each side, with corresponding riders on the
other side. When the tun fires, the riders run in between the riders
running in the opposite direction (no tripping, gentlemen) jump on their
bikes and try to avoid being hit by a bike coming from any of 3 or 4
directions while getting out onto the track. Now that would be a cluster
f**k.
Kevin
On Tue, 2 Apr 2019 at 15:47, Bob Ryan ryanr256@gmail.com wrote:
They could do the AMA Superbike stunt of rolling starts. That seemed to
work well....
-Bob
On Tue, Apr 2, 2019, 18:29 Tony Pagliaroli ajpags@gmail.com wrote:
And discretion makes for controversy. If it gave him a 2 foot advantage
and he crashed into someone, then what?
Fuck it. Le Mans style starts from now on. Am I right STeve?
Pags
On Apr 2, 2019, at 6:23 PM, Stephen Abramson desmo900cr@gmail.com
wrote:
Lan, do you really think that a ride through penalty that put you into
last place in the race was appropriate for an action that gained the
rider
absolutely no advantage whatsoever at the beginning of the race? I donât
have a problem with race direction being strict about not moving while
the
lights are on, but I would suggest that it might be nice to not have
such a
rubber stamp penalty. There should be room for discretion on the part of
the officials to assign a punishment a bit more appropriate for the
crime.
STeve
On Apr 2, 2019, at 3:11 PM, Lan Max nolanmaxxx@gmail.com wrote:
*"Never liked the guy, but this is a bullshit penalty" *
That can be interpreted in two ways, but I understand what you're
saying.
English can get complicated, or I should say (*for lack of a better
word*)
stupid sometimes. Obviously, that's questionable because some will say
that
the person who's reading/listening is the stupid one. That's the kind
of
innuendo I'm sensing from you there, Peer đ You must be European:
Either
British, French or some kind of an a-hole :) :) just kidding.
Back on track: So you're basically saying - The punishment does not
fit
the
crime. I think it's a perfect punishment.
What kind of penalty do you think is not BS in this case?
On Tue, Apr 2, 2019 at 2:41 PM Peer Landa peer@ccrma.stanford.edu
wrote:
Pags...
..you wrote:
Maybe, the "rule" is bullshit, if we're splitting hairs on it. The
penalty is exactly what they described.
No, that's again the opposite of what I said -- here again, in
verbatim:
"Never liked the guy, but this is a bullshit penalty" -- i.e., the
penalty
for breaking that rule is bullshit."
Hence, the rule is okay, but the draconian penalty for breaking it is
bullshit.
-- peer
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And I think the rule should be ironclad, but the penalty should be less
damaging, more in keeping with the violation. BTW, if a rider jump-starts
then runs into someone else, the crash is another but serparate possible
rule violation. The jump-start helped set it up, but was not the direct
cause.
On Tue, 2 Apr 2019 at 17:06, Kevin Kachadourian kkachadourian@gmail.com
wrote:
Le Mans style? Is that where they all run across the track to where the
cars are lined up, then pull out at will?
What the heck, why not. It would certainly help start and inflame grudges.
But, how about going one more step: the bikes are lined up on opposite
sides of the track, half on each side, with corresponding riders on the
other side. When the tun fires, the riders run in between the riders
running in the opposite direction (no tripping, gentlemen) jump on their
bikes and try to avoid being hit by a bike coming from any of 3 or 4
directions while getting out onto the track. Now that would be a cluster
f**k.
Kevin
On Tue, 2 Apr 2019 at 15:47, Bob Ryan ryanr256@gmail.com wrote:
They could do the AMA Superbike stunt of rolling starts. That seemed to
work well....
-Bob
On Tue, Apr 2, 2019, 18:29 Tony Pagliaroli ajpags@gmail.com wrote:
And discretion makes for controversy. If it gave him a 2 foot advantage
and he crashed into someone, then what?
Fuck it. Le Mans style starts from now on. Am I right STeve?
Pags
On Apr 2, 2019, at 6:23 PM, Stephen Abramson desmo900cr@gmail.com
wrote:
Lan, do you really think that a ride through penalty that put you into
last place in the race was appropriate for an action that gained the
rider
absolutely no advantage whatsoever at the beginning of the race? I donât
have a problem with race direction being strict about not moving while
the
lights are on, but I would suggest that it might be nice to not have
such a
rubber stamp penalty. There should be room for discretion on the part of
the officials to assign a punishment a bit more appropriate for the
crime.
STeve
On Apr 2, 2019, at 3:11 PM, Lan Max nolanmaxxx@gmail.com wrote:
*"Never liked the guy, but this is a bullshit penalty" *
That can be interpreted in two ways, but I understand what you're
saying.
English can get complicated, or I should say (*for lack of a better
word*)
stupid sometimes. Obviously, that's questionable because some will
say
that
the person who's reading/listening is the stupid one. That's the
kind of
innuendo I'm sensing from you there, Peer đ You must be European:
Either
British, French or some kind of an a-hole :) :) just kidding.
Back on track: So you're basically saying - The punishment does not
fit
the
crime. I think it's a perfect punishment.
What kind of penalty do you think is not BS in this case?
On Tue, Apr 2, 2019 at 2:41 PM Peer Landa peer@ccrma.stanford.edu
wrote:
Pags...
..you wrote:
Maybe, the "rule" is bullshit, if we're splitting hairs on it. The
penalty is exactly what they described.
No, that's again the opposite of what I said -- here again, in
verbatim:
"Never liked the guy, but this is a bullshit penalty" -- i.e., the
penalty
for breaking that rule is bullshit."
Hence, the rule is okay, but the draconian penalty for breaking it
is
bullshit.
-- peer
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Yes sir.
Canât manage to follow a very very simple rule? Then get off the track.
Donât be a MotoGp rider and give the bike to Iannone. Made a human mistake
at the top level? Then swallow the penalty and donât make the same mistake
again. Itâs a super high level sport. Man the F up and accept the rookie
mistake..
Even Karel doesnât roll forward on a red lightâhe just crashes all the time
:D
So, Steve. Tell us what sort of penalty you have in mind for this specific
incident? A second off? Let the rider behind pass? Very curious to hear
your take on this.
On Tue, Apr 2, 2019 at 6:23 PM Stephen Abramson desmo900cr@gmail.com
wrote:
Lan, do you really think that a ride through penalty that put you into
last place in the race was appropriate for an action that gained the rider
absolutely no advantage whatsoever at the beginning of the race? I donât
have a problem with race direction being strict about not moving while the
lights are on, but I would suggest that it might be nice to not have such a
rubber stamp penalty. There should be room for discretion on the part of
the officials to assign a punishment a bit more appropriate for the crime.
STeve
On Apr 2, 2019, at 3:11 PM, Lan Max nolanmaxxx@gmail.com wrote:
*"Never liked the guy, but this is a bullshit penalty" *
That can be interpreted in two ways, but I understand what you're
saying.
English can get complicated, or I should say (*for lack of a better
word*)
stupid sometimes. Obviously, that's questionable because some will say
that
the person who's reading/listening is the stupid one. That's the kind of
innuendo I'm sensing from you there, Peer đ You must be European:
Either
British, French or some kind of an a-hole :) :) just kidding.
Back on track: So you're basically saying - The punishment does not fit
the
crime. I think it's a perfect punishment.
What kind of penalty do you think is not BS in this case?
On Tue, Apr 2, 2019 at 2:41 PM Peer Landa peer@ccrma.stanford.edu
wrote:
Pags...
..you wrote:
Maybe, the "rule" is bullshit, if we're splitting hairs on it. The
penalty is exactly what they described.
No, that's again the opposite of what I said -- here again, in verbatim:
"Never liked the guy, but this is a bullshit penalty" -- i.e., the
penalty
for breaking that rule is bullshit."
Hence, the rule is okay, but the draconian penalty for breaking it is
bullshit.
-- peer
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Some may say add time to the riderâs race at the end, but Iâve never been a fan of that because it doesnât change the riderâs position in the race relative to the other riders, so whatever âbattlesâ take place between participants are not between the riders it would have been without the penalty. I like the âlong lapâ thing that they used at Qatar. Alternatively, they can have the rider drop a place (or two ) during the race itself.
STeve
On Apr 2, 2019, at 10:33 PM, Lan Max nolanmaxxx@gmail.com wrote:
Yes sir.
Canât manage to follow a very very simple rule? Then get off the track.
Donât be a MotoGp rider and give the bike to Iannone. Made a human mistake
at the top level? Then swallow the penalty and donât make the same mistake
again. Itâs a super high level sport. Man the F up and accept the rookie
mistake..
Even Karel doesnât roll forward on a red lightâhe just crashes all the time
:D
So, Steve. Tell us what sort of penalty you have in mind for this specific
incident? A second off? Let the rider behind pass? Very curious to hear
your take on this.
On Tue, Apr 2, 2019 at 6:23 PM Stephen Abramson desmo900cr@gmail.com
wrote:
Lan, do you really think that a ride through penalty that put you into
last place in the race was appropriate for an action that gained the rider
absolutely no advantage whatsoever at the beginning of the race? I donât
have a problem with race direction being strict about not moving while the
lights are on, but I would suggest that it might be nice to not have such a
rubber stamp penalty. There should be room for discretion on the part of
the officials to assign a punishment a bit more appropriate for the crime.
STeve
On Apr 2, 2019, at 3:11 PM, Lan Max nolanmaxxx@gmail.com wrote:
*"Never liked the guy, but this is a bullshit penalty" *
That can be interpreted in two ways, but I understand what you're
saying.
English can get complicated, or I should say (*for lack of a better
word*)
stupid sometimes. Obviously, that's questionable because some will say
that
the person who's reading/listening is the stupid one. That's the kind of
innuendo I'm sensing from you there, Peer đ You must be European:
Either
British, French or some kind of an a-hole :) :) just kidding.
Back on track: So you're basically saying - The punishment does not fit
the
crime. I think it's a perfect punishment.
What kind of penalty do you think is not BS in this case?
On Tue, Apr 2, 2019 at 2:41 PM Peer Landa peer@ccrma.stanford.edu
wrote:
Pags...
..you wrote:
Maybe, the "rule" is bullshit, if we're splitting hairs on it. The
penalty is exactly what they described.
No, that's again the opposite of what I said -- here again, in verbatim:
"Never liked the guy, but this is a bullshit penalty" -- i.e., the
penalty
for breaking that rule is bullshit."
Hence, the rule is okay, but the draconian penalty for breaking it is
bullshit.
-- peer
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