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kestrel4@gmail.com

Tue, Jan 11, 2022 9:07 PM

I have seen a number of mails on family tree research recently.

Is there a move in this direction; and, if so, can we post family tree data to the site? Provenance and accuracy are always going to be issues but it may be worth hosting current versions of members’ GEDCOM files on the understanding that they are the responsibility of the individuals who post them, not of CoTyroneIreland.

Best regards

Bill

J W (Bill) Young

+41 76 391 6556 (WhatsApp & Signal)

+44 74 2904 9955 (Telegram)

I have seen a number of mails on family tree research recently. Is there a move in this direction; and, if so, can we post family tree data to the site? Provenance and accuracy are always going to be issues but it may be worth hosting current versions of members’ GEDCOM files on the understanding that they are the responsibility of the individuals who post them, not of CoTyroneIreland. Best regards Bill J W (Bill) Young +41 76 391 6556 (WhatsApp & Signal) +44 74 2904 9955 (Telegram)

GW

Gordon Wilkinson

Wed, Jan 12, 2022 7:49 AM

An interesting idea, Bill, but my data base has info on so many living
relatives and notes on many who value their privacy (DNA data, cupboard
skeletons, &c), so I've actually shut down my family web site and only
give the barest of information on the site now. Having said that, the
most productive info has come from distant relatives who have found and
contacted me through the the original website. Those inputs have been
immeasurably valuable. I pondered the thought of stripping details from
'living' names, and editing the relevant pages, but the task got too
big. I've got around 8,500 names covering the ancestry of my
grandchildren and still more names to enter (proffered by one of those
distant relatives.) when I get time.

The original website still exists, of course, as a local entity (8Gb)
and available only to select relatives.

Gordon

On 12/01/2022 7:37 am, Bill Young via CoTyroneList wrote:

I have seen a number of mails on family tree research recently.

Is there a move in this direction; and, if so, can we post family tree
data to the site? Provenance and accuracy are always going to be
issues but it may be worth hosting current versions of members’ GEDCOM
files on the understanding that they are the responsibility of the
individuals who post them, not of CoTyroneIreland.

Best regards

Bill

J W (Bill) Young

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+44 74 2904 9955 (Telegram)

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An interesting idea, Bill, but my data base has info on so many living relatives and notes on many who value their privacy (DNA data, cupboard skeletons, &c), so I've actually shut down my family web site and only give the barest of information on the site now. Having said that, the most productive info has come from distant relatives who have found and contacted me through the the original website. Those inputs have been immeasurably valuable. I pondered the thought of stripping details from 'living' names, and editing the relevant pages, but the task got too big. I've got around 8,500 names covering the ancestry of my grandchildren and still more names to enter (proffered by one of those distant relatives.) when I get time. The original website still exists, of course, as a local entity (8Gb) and available only to select relatives. Gordon On 12/01/2022 7:37 am, Bill Young via CoTyroneList wrote: > > I have seen a number of mails on family tree research recently. > > Is there a move in this direction; and, if so, can we post family tree > data to the site? Provenance and accuracy are always going to be > issues but it may be worth hosting current versions of members’ GEDCOM > files on the understanding that they are the responsibility of the > individuals who post them, not of CoTyroneIreland. > > Best regards > > Bill > > J W (Bill) Young > > +41 76 391 6556 (WhatsApp & Signal) > > +44 74 2904 9955 (Telegram) > > > ================================= > Send a Message to the List -cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com > List Archive -https://list.cotyroneireland.com/empathy/list/cotyronelist.list.cotyroneireland.com > Join the list by sending an email to -cotyronelist-subscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com > To receive the Digest version, send an email to -cotyronelist-owner@list.cotyroneireland.com > Unsubscribe by sending an email to -cotyronelist-unsubscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com > =================================

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Roger Cousens

Wed, Jan 12, 2022 7:59 AM

For those of us who just use Ancestry or FamilySearch, could you explain the advantages of GEDCOM and why amateurs like me might want to use it? I hate FamilySearch because other people can change the content, even when they are wrong! But I often find useful info on FS trees. Ancestry might be clumsy and not very easy to save the steps in your investigation, but I can live with it, warts and all. And it is easy to crib off other trees (though always need to check them, as they often have errors and lack sources).The thought of starting over again with new software is daunting...... But should I consider it?
Thanks
Roger

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From: Gordon Wilkinson via CoTyroneList cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com
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To: Bill Young via CoTyroneList cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com
Cc: Gordon Wilkinson neredon@ozemail.com.au
Subject: [EXT] [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: Family Trees

External email: Please exercise caution

An interesting idea, Bill, but my data base has info on so many living relatives and notes on many who value their privacy (DNA data, cupboard skeletons, &c), so I've actually shut down my family web site and only give the barest of information on the site now. Having said that, the most productive info has come from distant relatives who have found and contacted me through the the original website. Those inputs have been immeasurably valuable. I pondered the thought of stripping details from 'living' names, and editing the relevant pages, but the task got too big. I've got around 8,500 names covering the ancestry of my grandchildren and still more names to enter (proffered by one of those distant relatives.) when I get time.

The original website still exists, of course, as a local entity (8Gb) and available only to select relatives.

Gordon

On 12/01/2022 7:37 am, Bill Young via CoTyroneList wrote:

I have seen a number of mails on family tree research recently.

Is there a move in this direction; and, if so, can we post family tree data to the site? Provenance and accuracy are always going to be issues but it may be worth hosting current versions of members’ GEDCOM files on the understanding that they are the responsibility of the individuals who post them, not of CoTyroneIreland.

Best regards

Bill

J W (Bill) Young

+41 76 391 6556 (WhatsApp & Signal)

+44 74 2904 9955 (Telegram)

For those of us who just use Ancestry or FamilySearch, could you explain the advantages of GEDCOM and why amateurs like me might want to use it? I hate FamilySearch because other people can change the content, even when they are wrong! But I often find useful info on FS trees. Ancestry might be clumsy and not very easy to save the steps in your investigation, but I can live with it, warts and all. And it is easy to crib off other trees (though always need to check them, as they often have errors and lack sources).The thought of starting over again with new software is daunting...... But should I consider it? Thanks Roger Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/ghei36> ________________________________ From: Gordon Wilkinson via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2022 6:49:59 PM To: Bill Young via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> Cc: Gordon Wilkinson <neredon@ozemail.com.au> Subject: [EXT] [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: Family Trees External email: Please exercise caution ________________________________ An interesting idea, Bill, but my data base has info on so many living relatives and notes on many who value their privacy (DNA data, cupboard skeletons, &c), so I've actually shut down my family web site and only give the barest of information on the site now. Having said that, the most productive info has come from distant relatives who have found and contacted me through the the original website. Those inputs have been immeasurably valuable. I pondered the thought of stripping details from 'living' names, and editing the relevant pages, but the task got too big. I've got around 8,500 names covering the ancestry of my grandchildren and still more names to enter (proffered by one of those distant relatives.) when I get time. The original website still exists, of course, as a local entity (8Gb) and available only to select relatives. Gordon On 12/01/2022 7:37 am, Bill Young via CoTyroneList wrote: I have seen a number of mails on family tree research recently. Is there a move in this direction; and, if so, can we post family tree data to the site? Provenance and accuracy are always going to be issues but it may be worth hosting current versions of members’ GEDCOM files on the understanding that they are the responsibility of the individuals who post them, not of CoTyroneIreland. Best regards Bill J W (Bill) Young +41 76 391 6556 (WhatsApp & Signal) +44 74 2904 9955 (Telegram) ================================= Send a Message to the List - cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> List Archive - https://list.cotyroneireland.com/empathy/list/cotyronelist.list.cotyroneireland.com<https://list.cotyroneireland.com/empathy/list/cotyronelist.list.cotyroneireland.com> Join the list by sending an email to - cotyronelist-subscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist-subscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com> To receive the Digest version, send an email to - cotyronelist-owner@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist-owner@list.cotyroneireland.com> Unsubscribe by sending an email to - cotyronelist-unsubscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist-unsubscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com> =================================

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Bill Young

Wed, Jan 12, 2022 8:56 AM

Thanks to Roger Cousens and Gordon Wilkinson for valid observations about posting family tree records.

Privacy is indeed another issue to consider in publicising family tree files
Perhaps I should not have mentioned GEDCOM. I only did so as it is a common format into which the data from nearly any family tree file can be exported.
I disike Ancestry and other genealogy sites for many reasons I won't go into.

I would still like a way of telling people that I have several thousand family tree records on Johnston, Kyle and Young families around Omagh and Fintona that I would be happy to share.

Regards to all

Bill

Bill Young
+41 76 391 6556 (WhatsApp & Signal)
+44 74 2904 9955 (Telegram)

From: Roger Cousens via CoTyroneList cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2022 8:59:01 AM
To: gordon.wilkinson@ozemail.com.au gordon.wilkinson@ozemail.com.au; CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com
Cc: Gordon Wilkinson neredon@ozemail.com.au; Roger Cousens rcousens@unimelb.edu.au
Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: [EXT] Re: Family Trees

For those of us who just use Ancestry or FamilySearch, could you explain the advantages of GEDCOM and why amateurs like me might want to use it? I hate FamilySearch because other people can change the content, even when they are wrong! But I often find useful info on FS trees. Ancestry might be clumsy and not very easy to save the steps in your investigation, but I can live with it, warts and all. And it is easy to crib off other trees (though always need to check them, as they often have errors and lack sources).The thought of starting over again with new software is daunting...... But should I consider it?
Thanks
Roger

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From: Gordon Wilkinson via CoTyroneList cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2022 6:49:59 PM
To: Bill Young via CoTyroneList cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com
Cc: Gordon Wilkinson neredon@ozemail.com.au
Subject: [EXT] [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: Family Trees

External email: Please exercise caution

An interesting idea, Bill, but my data base has info on so many living relatives and notes on many who value their privacy (DNA data, cupboard skeletons, &c), so I've actually shut down my family web site and only give the barest of information on the site now. Having said that, the most productive info has come from distant relatives who have found and contacted me through the the original website. Those inputs have been immeasurably valuable. I pondered the thought of stripping details from 'living' names, and editing the relevant pages, but the task got too big. I've got around 8,500 names covering the ancestry of my grandchildren and still more names to enter (proffered by one of those distant relatives.) when I get time.

The original website still exists, of course, as a local entity (8Gb) and available only to select relatives.

Gordon

On 12/01/2022 7:37 am, Bill Young via CoTyroneList wrote:

I have seen a number of mails on family tree research recently.

Is there a move in this direction; and, if so, can we post family tree data to the site? Provenance and accuracy are always going to be issues but it may be worth hosting current versions of members’ GEDCOM files on the understanding that they are the responsibility of the individuals who post them, not of CoTyroneIreland.

Best regards

Bill

J W (Bill) Young

+41 76 391 6556 (WhatsApp & Signal)

+44 74 2904 9955 (Telegram)

Thanks to Roger Cousens and Gordon Wilkinson for valid observations about posting family tree records. 1. Privacy is indeed another issue to consider in publicising family tree files 2. Perhaps I should not have mentioned GEDCOM. I only did so as it is a common format into which the data from nearly any family tree file can be exported. 3. I disike Ancestry and other genealogy sites for many reasons I won't go into. I would still like a way of telling people that I have several thousand family tree records on Johnston, Kyle and Young families around Omagh and Fintona that I would be happy to share. Regards to all Bill Bill Young +41 76 391 6556 (WhatsApp & Signal) +44 74 2904 9955 (Telegram) ________________________________ From: Roger Cousens via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2022 8:59:01 AM To: gordon.wilkinson@ozemail.com.au <gordon.wilkinson@ozemail.com.au>; CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> Cc: Gordon Wilkinson <neredon@ozemail.com.au>; Roger Cousens <rcousens@unimelb.edu.au> Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: [EXT] Re: Family Trees For those of us who just use Ancestry or FamilySearch, could you explain the advantages of GEDCOM and why amateurs like me might want to use it? I hate FamilySearch because other people can change the content, even when they are wrong! But I often find useful info on FS trees. Ancestry might be clumsy and not very easy to save the steps in your investigation, but I can live with it, warts and all. And it is easy to crib off other trees (though always need to check them, as they often have errors and lack sources).The thought of starting over again with new software is daunting...... But should I consider it? Thanks Roger Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/ghei36> ________________________________ From: Gordon Wilkinson via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2022 6:49:59 PM To: Bill Young via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> Cc: Gordon Wilkinson <neredon@ozemail.com.au> Subject: [EXT] [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: Family Trees External email: Please exercise caution ________________________________ An interesting idea, Bill, but my data base has info on so many living relatives and notes on many who value their privacy (DNA data, cupboard skeletons, &c), so I've actually shut down my family web site and only give the barest of information on the site now. Having said that, the most productive info has come from distant relatives who have found and contacted me through the the original website. Those inputs have been immeasurably valuable. I pondered the thought of stripping details from 'living' names, and editing the relevant pages, but the task got too big. I've got around 8,500 names covering the ancestry of my grandchildren and still more names to enter (proffered by one of those distant relatives.) when I get time. The original website still exists, of course, as a local entity (8Gb) and available only to select relatives. Gordon On 12/01/2022 7:37 am, Bill Young via CoTyroneList wrote: I have seen a number of mails on family tree research recently. Is there a move in this direction; and, if so, can we post family tree data to the site? Provenance and accuracy are always going to be issues but it may be worth hosting current versions of members’ GEDCOM files on the understanding that they are the responsibility of the individuals who post them, not of CoTyroneIreland. Best regards Bill J W (Bill) Young +41 76 391 6556 (WhatsApp & Signal) +44 74 2904 9955 (Telegram) ================================= Send a Message to the List - cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> List Archive - https://list.cotyroneireland.com/empathy/list/cotyronelist.list.cotyroneireland.com Join the list by sending an email to - cotyronelist-subscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist-subscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com> To receive the Digest version, send an email to - cotyronelist-owner@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist-owner@list.cotyroneireland.com> Unsubscribe by sending an email to - cotyronelist-unsubscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist-unsubscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com> =================================

JM

James McKane

Wed, Jan 12, 2022 10:22 AM

Gordon - first, it is easy to eliminate living people when creating a
Gedcom with most software so that is not an issue.

Bill - while it seems like a good idea, there are a few issues on my end
which would have to be overcome -

currently advertising revenues on the website have been dropping
dramatically! It appears many users are using "ad blockers" to avoid
seeing the advertisements. If this continues I'm not sure how we are going
to cover ongoing expenses
to load Gedcoms we need to purchase software
we need the time to manage said software as I have experience in this
area from a previous life......... it takes TIME
I would not wish to manage a "live" site where people can amend anything
as it soon becomes so polluted ......... like FamilySearch and Ancestry
trees are

Jim

Jim McKane
Kitchener, Ontario

On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 2:50 AM Gordon Wilkinson via CoTyroneList <
cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:

An interesting idea, Bill, but my data base has info on so many living
relatives and notes on many who value their privacy (DNA data, cupboard
skeletons, &c), so I've actually shut down my family web site and only give
the barest of information on the site now. Having said that, the most
productive info has come from distant relatives who have found and
contacted me through the the original website. Those inputs have been
immeasurably valuable. I pondered the thought of stripping details from
'living' names, and editing the relevant pages, but the task got too big.
I've got around 8,500 names covering the ancestry of my grandchildren and
still more names to enter (proffered by one of those distant relatives.)
when I get time.

The original website still exists, of course, as a local entity (8Gb) and
available only to select relatives.

Gordon
On 12/01/2022 7:37 am, Bill Young via CoTyroneList wrote:

I have seen a number of mails on family tree research recently.

Is there a move in this direction; and, if so, can we post family tree
data to the site? Provenance and accuracy are always going to be issues
but it may be worth hosting current versions of members’ GEDCOM files on
the understanding that they are the responsibility of the individuals who
post them, not of CoTyroneIreland.

Best regards

Bill

J W (Bill) Young

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+44 74 2904 9955 (Telegram)

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Gordon - first, it is easy to eliminate living people when creating a Gedcom with most software so that is not an issue. Bill - while it seems like a good idea, there are a few issues on my end which would have to be overcome - 1) currently advertising revenues on the website have been dropping dramatically! It appears many users are using "ad blockers" to avoid seeing the advertisements. If this continues I'm not sure how we are going to cover ongoing expenses 2) to load Gedcoms we need to purchase software 3) we need the time to manage said software as I have experience in this area from a previous life......... it takes TIME 4) I would not wish to manage a "live" site where people can amend anything as it soon becomes so polluted ......... like FamilySearch and Ancestry trees are Jim Jim McKane Kitchener, Ontario On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 2:50 AM Gordon Wilkinson via CoTyroneList < cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote: > An interesting idea, Bill, but my data base has info on so many living > relatives and notes on many who value their privacy (DNA data, cupboard > skeletons, &c), so I've actually shut down my family web site and only give > the barest of information on the site now. Having said that, the most > productive info has come from distant relatives who have found and > contacted me through the the original website. Those inputs have been > immeasurably valuable. I pondered the thought of stripping details from > 'living' names, and editing the relevant pages, but the task got too big. > I've got around 8,500 names covering the ancestry of my grandchildren and > still more names to enter (proffered by one of those distant relatives.) > when I get time. > > The original website still exists, of course, as a local entity (8Gb) and > available only to select relatives. > > Gordon > On 12/01/2022 7:37 am, Bill Young via CoTyroneList wrote: > > I have seen a number of mails on family tree research recently. > > > > Is there a move in this direction; and, if so, can we post family tree > data to the site? Provenance and accuracy are always going to be issues > but it may be worth hosting current versions of members’ GEDCOM files on > the understanding that they are the responsibility of the individuals who > post them, not of CoTyroneIreland. > > > > Best regards > > > > Bill > > > > J W (Bill) Young > > +41 76 391 6556 (WhatsApp & Signal) > > +44 74 2904 9955 (Telegram) > > > > ================================= > Send a Message to the List - cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com > List Archive - https://list.cotyroneireland.com/empathy/list/cotyronelist.list.cotyroneireland.com > Join the list by sending an email to - cotyronelist-subscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com > To receive the Digest version, send an email to - cotyronelist-owner@list.cotyroneireland.com > Unsubscribe by sending an email to - cotyronelist-unsubscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com > ================================= > > ================================= > Send a Message to the List - cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com > List Archive - > https://list.cotyroneireland.com/empathy/list/cotyronelist.list.cotyroneireland.com > Join the list by sending an email to - > cotyronelist-subscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com > To receive the Digest version, send an email to - > cotyronelist-owner@list.cotyroneireland.com > Unsubscribe by sending an email to - > cotyronelist-unsubscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com > =================================

JM

James McKane

Wed, Jan 12, 2022 10:25 AM

Roger - I've been storing genealogical info on my clan for over 35 years. I
would NEVER rely on building my tree on a 3rd party website since it is
then out of my control. That said, I may "share" my tree on a 3rd party
site but since they began allowing others to amend my data I deleted those
as well.

Get your OWN software on your OWN computer! Then YOU have control!

Jim

Jim McKane
Kitchener, Ontario

On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 2:59 AM Roger Cousens via CoTyroneList <
cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:

For those of us who just use Ancestry or FamilySearch, could you explain
the advantages of GEDCOM and why amateurs like me might want to use it? I
hate FamilySearch because other people can change the content, even when
they are wrong! But I often find useful info on FS trees. Ancestry might
be clumsy and not very easy to save the steps in your investigation, but I
can live with it, warts and all. And it is easy to crib off other trees
(though always need to check them, as they often have errors and lack
sources).The thought of starting over again with new software is
daunting...... But should I consider it?
Thanks
Roger

Get Outlook for Android https://aka.ms/ghei36

From: Gordon Wilkinson via CoTyroneList <
cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2022 6:49:59 PM
To: Bill Young via CoTyroneList cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com
Cc: Gordon Wilkinson neredon@ozemail.com.au
Subject: [EXT] [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: Family Trees

External email: Please exercise caution *

An interesting idea, Bill, but my data base has info on so many living
relatives and notes on many who value their privacy (DNA data, cupboard
skeletons, &c), so I've actually shut down my family web site and only give
the barest of information on the site now. Having said that, the most
productive info has come from distant relatives who have found and
contacted me through the the original website. Those inputs have been
immeasurably valuable. I pondered the thought of stripping details from
'living' names, and editing the relevant pages, but the task got too big.
I've got around 8,500 names covering the ancestry of my grandchildren and
still more names to enter (proffered by one of those distant relatives.)
when I get time.

The original website still exists, of course, as a local entity (8Gb) and
available only to select relatives.

Gordon
On 12/01/2022 7:37 am, Bill Young via CoTyroneList wrote:

I have seen a number of mails on family tree research recently.

Is there a move in this direction; and, if so, can we post family tree
data to the site? Provenance and accuracy are always going to be issues
but it may be worth hosting current versions of members’ GEDCOM files on
the understanding that they are the responsibility of the individuals who
post them, not of CoTyroneIreland.

Best regards

Bill

J W (Bill) Young

+41 76 391 6556 (WhatsApp & Signal)

+44 74 2904 9955 (Telegram)

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Roger - I've been storing genealogical info on my clan for over 35 years. I would NEVER rely on building my tree on a 3rd party website since it is then out of my control. That said, I may "share" my tree on a 3rd party site but since they began allowing others to amend my data I deleted those as well. Get your OWN software on your OWN computer! Then YOU have control! Jim Jim McKane Kitchener, Ontario On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 2:59 AM Roger Cousens via CoTyroneList < cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote: > For those of us who just use Ancestry or FamilySearch, could you explain > the advantages of GEDCOM and why amateurs like me might want to use it? I > hate FamilySearch because other people can change the content, even when > they are wrong! But I often find useful info on FS trees. Ancestry might > be clumsy and not very easy to save the steps in your investigation, but I > can live with it, warts and all. And it is easy to crib off other trees > (though always need to check them, as they often have errors and lack > sources).The thought of starting over again with new software is > daunting...... But should I consider it? > Thanks > Roger > > Get Outlook for Android <https://aka.ms/ghei36> > ------------------------------ > *From:* Gordon Wilkinson via CoTyroneList < > cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 12, 2022 6:49:59 PM > *To:* Bill Young via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> > *Cc:* Gordon Wilkinson <neredon@ozemail.com.au> > *Subject:* [EXT] [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: Family Trees > > * External email: Please exercise caution * > ------------------------------ > > An interesting idea, Bill, but my data base has info on so many living > relatives and notes on many who value their privacy (DNA data, cupboard > skeletons, &c), so I've actually shut down my family web site and only give > the barest of information on the site now. Having said that, the most > productive info has come from distant relatives who have found and > contacted me through the the original website. Those inputs have been > immeasurably valuable. I pondered the thought of stripping details from > 'living' names, and editing the relevant pages, but the task got too big. > I've got around 8,500 names covering the ancestry of my grandchildren and > still more names to enter (proffered by one of those distant relatives.) > when I get time. > > The original website still exists, of course, as a local entity (8Gb) and > available only to select relatives. > > Gordon > On 12/01/2022 7:37 am, Bill Young via CoTyroneList wrote: > > I have seen a number of mails on family tree research recently. > > > > Is there a move in this direction; and, if so, can we post family tree > data to the site? Provenance and accuracy are always going to be issues > but it may be worth hosting current versions of members’ GEDCOM files on > the understanding that they are the responsibility of the individuals who > post them, not of CoTyroneIreland. > > > > Best regards > > > > Bill > > > > J W (Bill) Young > > +41 76 391 6556 (WhatsApp & Signal) > > +44 74 2904 9955 (Telegram) > > > > ================================= > Send a Message to the List - cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com > List Archive - https://list.cotyroneireland.com/empathy/list/cotyronelist.list.cotyroneireland.com > Join the list by sending an email to - cotyronelist-subscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com > To receive the Digest version, send an email to - cotyronelist-owner@list.cotyroneireland.com > Unsubscribe by sending an email to - cotyronelist-unsubscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com > ================================= > > ================================= > Send a Message to the List - cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com > List Archive - > https://list.cotyroneireland.com/empathy/list/cotyronelist.list.cotyroneireland.com > Join the list by sending an email to - > cotyronelist-subscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com > To receive the Digest version, send an email to - > cotyronelist-owner@list.cotyroneireland.com > Unsubscribe by sending an email to - > cotyronelist-unsubscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com > =================================

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M L Jarvis

Wed, Jan 12, 2022 1:43 PM

Perhaps a page with a table that lists members who have trees, where the trees are located (Ancestry, etc.), and key surnames and locations is all that’s needed? Then individual members could be contacted directly.

We could also list GEDmatch numbers.

And, yes, I can help create the table!

Mary

PS Ancestry trees can’t be changed by others unless they have permission to do so by having been granted ownership.

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Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2022 5:22 AM
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Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: Family Trees

Gordon - first, it is easy to eliminate living people when creating a Gedcom with most software so that is not an issue.

Bill - while it seems like a good idea, there are a few issues on my end which would have to be overcome -

currently advertising revenues on the website have been dropping dramatically! It appears many users are using "ad blockers" to avoid seeing the advertisements. If this continues I'm not sure how we are going to cover ongoing expenses
to load Gedcoms we need to purchase software
we need the time to manage said software as I have experience in this area from a previous life......... it takes TIME
I would not wish to manage a "live" site where people can amend anything as it soon becomes so polluted ......... like FamilySearch and Ancestry trees are

Jim

Jim McKane

Kitchener, Ontario

On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 2:50 AM Gordon Wilkinson via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com > wrote:

An interesting idea, Bill, but my data base has info on so many living relatives and notes on many who value their privacy (DNA data, cupboard skeletons, &c), so I've actually shut down my family web site and only give the barest of information on the site now. Having said that, the most productive info has come from distant relatives who have found and contacted me through the the original website. Those inputs have been immeasurably valuable. I pondered the thought of stripping details from 'living' names, and editing the relevant pages, but the task got too big. I've got around 8,500 names covering the ancestry of my grandchildren and still more names to enter (proffered by one of those distant relatives.) when I get time.

The original website still exists, of course, as a local entity (8Gb) and available only to select relatives.

Gordon

On 12/01/2022 7:37 am, Bill Young via CoTyroneList wrote:

I have seen a number of mails on family tree research recently.

Is there a move in this direction; and, if so, can we post family tree data to the site? Provenance and accuracy are always going to be issues but it may be worth hosting current versions of members’ GEDCOM files on the understanding that they are the responsibility of the individuals who post them, not of CoTyroneIreland.

Best regards

Bill

J W (Bill) Young

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Perhaps a page with a table that lists members who have trees, where the trees are located (Ancestry, etc.), and key surnames and locations is all that’s needed? Then individual members could be contacted directly. We could also list GEDmatch numbers. And, yes, I can help create the table! Mary PS Ancestry trees can’t be changed by others unless they have permission to do so by having been granted ownership. From: James McKane via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2022 5:22 AM To: Gordon Wilkinson <gordon.wilkinson@ozemail.com.au>; CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> Cc: Gordon Wilkinson <neredon@ozemail.com.au>; James McKane <jamckane@gmail.com> Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: Family Trees Gordon - first, it is easy to eliminate living people when creating a Gedcom with most software so that is not an issue. Bill - while it seems like a good idea, there are a few issues on my end which would have to be overcome - 1) currently advertising revenues on the website have been dropping dramatically! It appears many users are using "ad blockers" to avoid seeing the advertisements. If this continues I'm not sure how we are going to cover ongoing expenses 2) to load Gedcoms we need to purchase software 3) we need the time to manage said software as I have experience in this area from a previous life......... it takes TIME 4) I would not wish to manage a "live" site where people can amend anything as it soon becomes so polluted ......... like FamilySearch and Ancestry trees are Jim Jim McKane Kitchener, Ontario On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 2:50 AM Gordon Wilkinson via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com <mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> > wrote: An interesting idea, Bill, but my data base has info on so many living relatives and notes on many who value their privacy (DNA data, cupboard skeletons, &c), so I've actually shut down my family web site and only give the barest of information on the site now. Having said that, the most productive info has come from distant relatives who have found and contacted me through the the original website. Those inputs have been immeasurably valuable. I pondered the thought of stripping details from 'living' names, and editing the relevant pages, but the task got too big. I've got around 8,500 names covering the ancestry of my grandchildren and still more names to enter (proffered by one of those distant relatives.) when I get time. The original website still exists, of course, as a local entity (8Gb) and available only to select relatives. Gordon On 12/01/2022 7:37 am, Bill Young via CoTyroneList wrote: I have seen a number of mails on family tree research recently. Is there a move in this direction; and, if so, can we post family tree data to the site? Provenance and accuracy are always going to be issues but it may be worth hosting current versions of members’ GEDCOM files on the understanding that they are the responsibility of the individuals who post them, not of CoTyroneIreland. Best regards Bill J W (Bill) Young +41 76 391 6556 (WhatsApp & Signal) +44 74 2904 9955 (Telegram) ================================= Send a Message to the List - cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com <mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> List Archive - https://list.cotyroneireland.com/empathy/list/cotyronelist.list.cotyroneireland.com Join the list by sending an email to - cotyronelist-subscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com <mailto:cotyronelist-subscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com> To receive the Digest version, send an email to - cotyronelist-owner@list.cotyroneireland.com <mailto:cotyronelist-owner@list.cotyroneireland.com> Unsubscribe by sending an email to - cotyronelist-unsubscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com <mailto:cotyronelist-unsubscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com> ================================= ================================= Send a Message to the List - cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com List Archive - https://list.cotyroneireland.com/empathy/list/cotyronelist.list.cotyroneireland.com Join the list by sending an email to - cotyronelist-subscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com <mailto:cotyronelist-subscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com> To receive the Digest version, send an email to - cotyronelist-owner@list.cotyroneireland.com <mailto:cotyronelist-owner@list.cotyroneireland.com> Unsubscribe by sending an email to - cotyronelist-unsubscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com <mailto:cotyronelist-unsubscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com> =================================

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Lesley Gmail

Wed, Jan 12, 2022 2:23 PM

I like that idea Mary 👍🏻

Best Regards ... Johnny Carson

On 12 Jan 2022, at 13:44, M L Jarvis via CoTyroneList cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com wrote:

Perhaps a page with a table that lists members who have trees, where the trees are located (Ancestry, etc.), and key surnames and locations is all that’s needed? Then individual members could be contacted directly.

We could also list GEDmatch numbers.

And, yes, I can help create the table!

Mary

PS Ancestry trees can’t be changed by others unless they have permission to do so by having been granted ownership.

From: James McKane via CoTyroneList cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2022 5:22 AM
To: Gordon Wilkinson gordon.wilkinson@ozemail.com.au; CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com
Cc: Gordon Wilkinson neredon@ozemail.com.au; James McKane jamckane@gmail.com
Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: Family Trees

Gordon - first, it is easy to eliminate living people when creating a Gedcom with most software so that is not an issue.

Bill - while it seems like a good idea, there are a few issues on my end which would have to be overcome -

currently advertising revenues on the website have been dropping dramatically! It appears many users are using "ad blockers" to avoid seeing the advertisements. If this continues I'm not sure how we are going to cover ongoing expenses
to load Gedcoms we need to purchase software
we need the time to manage said software as I have experience in this area from a previous life......... it takes TIME
I would not wish to manage a "live" site where people can amend anything as it soon becomes so polluted ......... like FamilySearch and Ancestry trees are

Jim

Jim McKane
Kitchener, Ontario

On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 2:50 AM Gordon Wilkinson via CoTyroneList cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com wrote:
An interesting idea, Bill, but my data base has info on so many living relatives and notes on many who value their privacy (DNA data, cupboard skeletons, &c), so I've actually shut down my family web site and only give the barest of information on the site now. Having said that, the most productive info has come from distant relatives who have found and contacted me through the the original website. Those inputs have been immeasurably valuable. I pondered the thought of stripping details from 'living' names, and editing the relevant pages, but the task got too big. I've got around 8,500 names covering the ancestry of my grandchildren and still more names to enter (proffered by one of those distant relatives.) when I get time.

The original website still exists, of course, as a local entity (8Gb) and available only to select relatives.

Gordon

On 12/01/2022 7:37 am, Bill Young via CoTyroneList wrote:
I have seen a number of mails on family tree research recently.

Is there a move in this direction; and, if so, can we post family tree data to the site? Provenance and accuracy are always going to be issues but it may be worth hosting current versions of members’ GEDCOM files on the understanding that they are the responsibility of the individuals who post them, not of CoTyroneIreland.

Best regards

Bill

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+44 74 2904 9955 (Telegram)

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I like that idea Mary 👍🏻 Best Regards ... Johnny Carson On 12 Jan 2022, at 13:44, M L Jarvis via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote: Perhaps a page with a table that lists members who have trees, where the trees are located (Ancestry, etc.), and key surnames and locations is all that’s needed? Then individual members could be contacted directly. We could also list GEDmatch numbers. And, yes, I can help create the table! Mary PS Ancestry trees can’t be changed by others unless they have permission to do so by having been granted ownership. From: James McKane via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2022 5:22 AM To: Gordon Wilkinson <gordon.wilkinson@ozemail.com.au>; CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> Cc: Gordon Wilkinson <neredon@ozemail.com.au>; James McKane <jamckane@gmail.com> Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: Family Trees Gordon - first, it is easy to eliminate living people when creating a Gedcom with most software so that is not an issue. Bill - while it seems like a good idea, there are a few issues on my end which would have to be overcome - 1) currently advertising revenues on the website have been dropping dramatically! It appears many users are using "ad blockers" to avoid seeing the advertisements. If this continues I'm not sure how we are going to cover ongoing expenses 2) to load Gedcoms we need to purchase software 3) we need the time to manage said software as I have experience in this area from a previous life......... it takes TIME 4) I would not wish to manage a "live" site where people can amend anything as it soon becomes so polluted ......... like FamilySearch and Ancestry trees are Jim Jim McKane Kitchener, Ontario On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 2:50 AM Gordon Wilkinson via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote: An interesting idea, Bill, but my data base has info on so many living relatives and notes on many who value their privacy (DNA data, cupboard skeletons, &c), so I've actually shut down my family web site and only give the barest of information on the site now. Having said that, the most productive info has come from distant relatives who have found and contacted me through the the original website. Those inputs have been immeasurably valuable. I pondered the thought of stripping details from 'living' names, and editing the relevant pages, but the task got too big. I've got around 8,500 names covering the ancestry of my grandchildren and still more names to enter (proffered by one of those distant relatives.) when I get time. The original website still exists, of course, as a local entity (8Gb) and available only to select relatives. Gordon On 12/01/2022 7:37 am, Bill Young via CoTyroneList wrote: I have seen a number of mails on family tree research recently. Is there a move in this direction; and, if so, can we post family tree data to the site? Provenance and accuracy are always going to be issues but it may be worth hosting current versions of members’ GEDCOM files on the understanding that they are the responsibility of the individuals who post them, not of CoTyroneIreland. Best regards Bill J W (Bill) Young +41 76 391 6556 (WhatsApp & Signal) +44 74 2904 9955 (Telegram) ================================= Send a Message to the List - cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com List Archive - https://list.cotyroneireland.com/empathy/list/cotyronelist.list.cotyroneireland.com Join the list by sending an email to - cotyronelist-subscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com To receive the Digest version, send an email to - cotyronelist-owner@list.cotyroneireland.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to - cotyronelist-unsubscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com ================================= ================================= Send a Message to the List - cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com List Archive - https://list.cotyroneireland.com/empathy/list/cotyronelist.list.cotyroneireland.com Join the list by sending an email to - cotyronelist-subscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com To receive the Digest version, send an email to - cotyronelist-owner@list.cotyroneireland.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to - cotyronelist-unsubscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com ================================= ================================= Send a Message to the List - cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com List Archive - https://list.cotyroneireland.com/empathy/list/cotyronelist.list.cotyroneireland.com Join the list by sending an email to - cotyronelist-subscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com To receive the Digest version, send an email to - cotyronelist-owner@list.cotyroneireland.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to - cotyronelist-unsubscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com =================================

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Margaret Barnes

Wed, Jan 12, 2022 10:25 PM

For many years before Ancestry killed them, we had very efficient county and surname Rootsweb Mailing Lists which were a great way of ‘advertising’ one’s family connections.

Quite often there would be a roll call which would be of benefit to new researchers or those who had recently ‘discovered’ another name of interest.

Another way of interesting listers is to engender interest in various townlands. Quite often there has been intermarriage between families in various townlands.

I keep my large family tree on my own computer with Reunion software. I get so annoyed when I read even my own deceased parents’ names on totally wrong trees. I have often written to the owner to ask them to change the information but mostly hear nothing back.

I think Familysearch is a fantastic FREE site and I have in the past contributed by transcribing records. I would never however put my family tree on that site and certainly wouldn’t put it on Ancestry. I may be wrong but I understood Ancestry now “owns” all the information on its site.

Bill, I wish one of my various Johnston families came from Omagh or Fintona. I seem to have three or four branches of them but all in Fermanagh.

Margaret in Oz.

On 12 Jan 2022, at 19:56, Bill Young via CoTyroneList cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com wrote:

Thanks to Roger Cousens and Gordon Wilkinson for valid observations about posting family tree records.

For many years before Ancestry killed them, we had very efficient county and surname Rootsweb Mailing Lists which were a great way of ‘advertising’ one’s family connections. Quite often there would be a roll call which would be of benefit to new researchers or those who had recently ‘discovered’ another name of interest. Another way of interesting listers is to engender interest in various townlands. Quite often there has been intermarriage between families in various townlands. I keep my large family tree on my own computer with Reunion software. I get so annoyed when I read even my own deceased parents’ names on totally wrong trees. I have often written to the owner to ask them to change the information but mostly hear nothing back. I think Familysearch is a fantastic FREE site and I have in the past contributed by transcribing records. I would never however put my family tree on that site and certainly wouldn’t put it on Ancestry. I may be wrong but I understood Ancestry now “owns” all the information on its site. Bill, I wish one of my various Johnston families came from Omagh or Fintona. I seem to have three or four branches of them but all in Fermanagh. Margaret in Oz. > On 12 Jan 2022, at 19:56, Bill Young via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote: > > Thanks to Roger Cousens and Gordon Wilkinson for valid observations about posting family tree records.

GW

Gordon Wilkinson

Thu, Jan 13, 2022 12:07 AM

Well said, Jim!

Gordon

Get your OWN software on your OWN computer! Then YOU have control!

Jim

Jim McKane
Kitchener, Ontario

Well said, Jim! Gordon > > Get your OWN software on your OWN computer! Then YOU have control! > > Jim > > Jim McKane > Kitchener, Ontario > >