COTA taken off the GP schedule

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Vicki Smith
Fri, Jan 22, 2021 1:22 PM
https://the-race.com/motogp/2021-motogp-calendar-revised/ Vicki
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Garth Williams
Fri, Jan 22, 2021 1:38 PM

While I’m personally disappointed, I have to say that it’s for the best.
Texans have NOT had a good track record of wearing masks and distancing
themselves properly (I say this as a Texan) and the GP was sure to be a
super-spreader event.

I suppose COTA will kick my ticket up to 2022; I am worried a bit about its
solvency, as this will be two years without a major event (assuming F1
skips it later this year as well).

Garth

On Fri, Jan 22, 2021 at 7:22 AM Vicki Smith vicki@ducati.net wrote:

https://the-race.com/motogp/2021-motogp-calendar-revised/

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While I’m personally disappointed, I have to say that it’s for the best. Texans have NOT had a good track record of wearing masks and distancing themselves properly (I say this as a Texan) and the GP was sure to be a super-spreader event. I suppose COTA will kick my ticket up to 2022; I am worried a bit about its solvency, as this will be two years without a major event (assuming F1 skips it later this year as well). Garth On Fri, Jan 22, 2021 at 7:22 AM Vicki Smith <vicki@ducati.net> wrote: > https://the-race.com/motogp/2021-motogp-calendar-revised/ > > Vicki > > > > > To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: > http://www.ductalk.com/ > and > https://www.facebook.com/ducnet > _____________________ > Ducati mailing list -- ducati@list.ducati.net > To unsubscribe send an email to ducati-leave@list.ducati.net > Mailto: %(user_address)s -- Garth Williams 832.731.1968 garthfw@gmail.com
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Vicki Smith
Fri, Jan 22, 2021 1:47 PM

I was thinking the same, especially with Indy in good hands now and with a proven track record of being able to pull off a “COVID effected event”. If I was in the MotoGP scheduling department I’d have reached out to Indy for 2022 already.  2021 second half is jammed so cancelling the April date is pretty final for any 2021 event on this side of the world.
Vicki

On Jan 22, 2021, at 8:38 AM, Garth Williams garthfw@gmail.com wrote:


While I’m personally disappointed, I have to say that it’s for the best. Texans have NOT had a good track record of wearing masks and distancing themselves properly (I say this as a Texan) and the GP was sure to be a super-spreader event.

I suppose COTA will kick my ticket up to 2022; I am worried a bit about its solvency, as this will be two years without a major event (assuming F1 skips it later this year as well).

Garth

On Fri, Jan 22, 2021 at 7:22 AM Vicki Smith vicki@ducati.net wrote:
https://the-race.com/motogp/2021-motogp-calendar-revised/

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I was thinking the same, especially with Indy in good hands now and with a proven track record of being able to pull off a “COVID effected event”. If I was in the MotoGP scheduling department I’d have reached out to Indy for 2022 already. 2021 second half is jammed so cancelling the April date is pretty final for any 2021 event on this side of the world. Vicki > On Jan 22, 2021, at 8:38 AM, Garth Williams <garthfw@gmail.com> wrote: > >  > While I’m personally disappointed, I have to say that it’s for the best. Texans have NOT had a good track record of wearing masks and distancing themselves properly (I say this as a Texan) and the GP was sure to be a super-spreader event. > > I suppose COTA will kick my ticket up to 2022; I am worried a bit about its solvency, as this will be two years without a major event (assuming F1 skips it later this year as well). > > Garth > >> On Fri, Jan 22, 2021 at 7:22 AM Vicki Smith <vicki@ducati.net> wrote: >> https://the-race.com/motogp/2021-motogp-calendar-revised/ >> >> Vicki >> >> >> >> >> To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: >> http://www.ductalk.com/ >> and >> https://www.facebook.com/ducnet >> _____________________ >> Ducati mailing list -- ducati@list.ducati.net >> To unsubscribe send an email to ducati-leave@list.ducati.net >> Mailto: %(user_address)s > -- > Garth Williams > 832.731.1968 > garthfw@gmail.com > > > > > To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: > http://www.ductalk.com/ > and > https://www.facebook.com/ducnet > _____________________ > Ducati mailing list -- ducati@list.ducati.net > To unsubscribe send an email to ducati-leave@list.ducati.net > Mailto: %(user_address)s
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Garth Williams
Fri, Jan 22, 2021 1:55 PM

Vicki,

In my own self-interest, I hope you’re wrong about 2022.  COTA has been, if
not the cause of, a huge part of the renaissance of moto and auto racing in
Texas and I think the loss of either F1 or MotoGP on a more permanent basis
would be terrible for the state. I’m not sure events like the Handbuilt
Show could exist without the GP.

Anyhow, I might able to make it to an Indy MotoGP race,  but given I NEVER
went to any other US GPs, I kind of doubt it.

Garth

On Fri, Jan 22, 2021 at 7:47 AM Vicki Smith Vicki@ducati.net wrote:

I was thinking the same, especially with Indy in good hands now and with a
proven track record of being able to pull off a “COVID effected event”. If
I was in the MotoGP scheduling department I’d have reached out to Indy for
2022 already.  2021 second half is jammed so cancelling the April date is
pretty final for any 2021 event on this side of the world.
Vicki

On Jan 22, 2021, at 8:38 AM, Garth Williams garthfw@gmail.com wrote:



While I’m personally disappointed, I have to say that it’s for the best.
Texans have NOT had a good track record of wearing masks and distancing
themselves properly (I say this as a Texan) and the GP was sure to be a
super-spreader event.

I suppose COTA will kick my ticket up to 2022; I am worried a bit about
its solvency, as this will be two years without a major event (assuming F1
skips it later this year as well).

Garth

On Fri, Jan 22, 2021 at 7:22 AM Vicki Smith vicki@ducati.net wrote:

https://the-race.com/motogp/2021-motogp-calendar-revised/

Vicki

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Vicki, In my own self-interest, I hope you’re wrong about 2022. COTA has been, if not the cause of, a huge part of the renaissance of moto and auto racing in Texas and I think the loss of either F1 or MotoGP on a more permanent basis would be terrible for the state. I’m not sure events like the Handbuilt Show could exist without the GP. Anyhow, I might able to make it to an Indy MotoGP race, but given I NEVER went to any other US GPs, I kind of doubt it. Garth On Fri, Jan 22, 2021 at 7:47 AM Vicki Smith <Vicki@ducati.net> wrote: > I was thinking the same, especially with Indy in good hands now and with a > proven track record of being able to pull off a “COVID effected event”. If > I was in the MotoGP scheduling department I’d have reached out to Indy for > 2022 already. 2021 second half is jammed so cancelling the April date is > pretty final for any 2021 event on this side of the world. > Vicki > > On Jan 22, 2021, at 8:38 AM, Garth Williams <garthfw@gmail.com> wrote: > >  > > While I’m personally disappointed, I have to say that it’s for the best. > Texans have NOT had a good track record of wearing masks and distancing > themselves properly (I say this as a Texan) and the GP was sure to be a > super-spreader event. > > I suppose COTA will kick my ticket up to 2022; I am worried a bit about > its solvency, as this will be two years without a major event (assuming F1 > skips it later this year as well). > > Garth > > On Fri, Jan 22, 2021 at 7:22 AM Vicki Smith <vicki@ducati.net> wrote: > >> https://the-race.com/motogp/2021-motogp-calendar-revised/ >> >> Vicki >> >> >> >> >> To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: >> http://www.ductalk.com/ >> and >> https://www.facebook.com/ducnet >> _____________________ >> Ducati mailing list -- ducati@list.ducati.net >> To unsubscribe send an email to ducati-leave@list.ducati.net >> Mailto: %(user_address)s > > -- > Garth Williams > 832.731.1968 > garthfw@gmail.com > > > > > To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: > http://www.ductalk.com/ > and > https://www.facebook.com/ducnet > _____________________ > Ducati mailing list -- ducati@list.ducati.net > To unsubscribe send an email to ducati-leave@list.ducati.net > Mailto: %(user_address)s > > > > > > To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: > http://www.ductalk.com/ > and > https://www.facebook.com/ducnet > _____________________ > Ducati mailing list -- ducati@list.ducati.net > To unsubscribe send an email to ducati-leave@list.ducati.net > Mailto: %(user_address)s -- Garth Williams 832.731.1968 garthfw@gmail.com
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Tony Pags
Fri, Jan 22, 2021 1:58 PM

Do they run moto track events at COTA at all?  Track days, club racing etc?
Pags

On Fri, Jan 22, 2021 at 8:56 AM Garth Williams garthfw@gmail.com wrote:

Vicki,

In my own self-interest, I hope you’re wrong about 2022.  COTA has been,
if not the cause of, a huge part of the renaissance of moto and auto racing
in Texas and I think the loss of either F1 or MotoGP on a more permanent
basis would be terrible for the state. I’m not sure events like the
Handbuilt Show could exist without the GP.

Anyhow, I might able to make it to an Indy MotoGP race,  but given I NEVER
went to any other US GPs, I kind of doubt it.

Garth

On Fri, Jan 22, 2021 at 7:47 AM Vicki Smith Vicki@ducati.net wrote:

I was thinking the same, especially with Indy in good hands now and with
a proven track record of being able to pull off a “COVID effected event”.
If I was in the MotoGP scheduling department I’d have reached out to Indy
for 2022 already.  2021 second half is jammed so cancelling the April date
is pretty final for any 2021 event on this side of the world.
Vicki

On Jan 22, 2021, at 8:38 AM, Garth Williams garthfw@gmail.com wrote:



While I’m personally disappointed, I have to say that it’s for the best.
Texans have NOT had a good track record of wearing masks and distancing
themselves properly (I say this as a Texan) and the GP was sure to be a
super-spreader event.

I suppose COTA will kick my ticket up to 2022; I am worried a bit about
its solvency, as this will be two years without a major event (assuming F1
skips it later this year as well).

Garth

On Fri, Jan 22, 2021 at 7:22 AM Vicki Smith vicki@ducati.net wrote:

https://the-race.com/motogp/2021-motogp-calendar-revised/

Vicki

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Do they run moto track events at COTA at all? Track days, club racing etc? Pags On Fri, Jan 22, 2021 at 8:56 AM Garth Williams <garthfw@gmail.com> wrote: > Vicki, > > In my own self-interest, I hope you’re wrong about 2022. COTA has been, > if not the cause of, a huge part of the renaissance of moto and auto racing > in Texas and I think the loss of either F1 or MotoGP on a more permanent > basis would be terrible for the state. I’m not sure events like the > Handbuilt Show could exist without the GP. > > Anyhow, I might able to make it to an Indy MotoGP race, but given I NEVER > went to any other US GPs, I kind of doubt it. > > Garth > > > On Fri, Jan 22, 2021 at 7:47 AM Vicki Smith <Vicki@ducati.net> wrote: > >> I was thinking the same, especially with Indy in good hands now and with >> a proven track record of being able to pull off a “COVID effected event”. >> If I was in the MotoGP scheduling department I’d have reached out to Indy >> for 2022 already. 2021 second half is jammed so cancelling the April date >> is pretty final for any 2021 event on this side of the world. >> Vicki >> >> On Jan 22, 2021, at 8:38 AM, Garth Williams <garthfw@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>  >> >> While I’m personally disappointed, I have to say that it’s for the best. >> Texans have NOT had a good track record of wearing masks and distancing >> themselves properly (I say this as a Texan) and the GP was sure to be a >> super-spreader event. >> >> I suppose COTA will kick my ticket up to 2022; I am worried a bit about >> its solvency, as this will be two years without a major event (assuming F1 >> skips it later this year as well). >> >> Garth >> >> On Fri, Jan 22, 2021 at 7:22 AM Vicki Smith <vicki@ducati.net> wrote: >> >>> https://the-race.com/motogp/2021-motogp-calendar-revised/ >>> >>> Vicki >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: >>> http://www.ductalk.com/ >>> and >>> https://www.facebook.com/ducnet >>> _____________________ >>> Ducati mailing list -- ducati@list.ducati.net >>> To unsubscribe send an email to ducati-leave@list.ducati.net >>> Mailto: %(user_address)s >> >> -- >> Garth Williams >> 832.731.1968 >> garthfw@gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: >> http://www.ductalk.com/ >> and >> https://www.facebook.com/ducnet >> _____________________ >> Ducati mailing list -- ducati@list.ducati.net >> To unsubscribe send an email to ducati-leave@list.ducati.net >> Mailto: %(user_address)s >> >> >> >> >> >> To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: >> http://www.ductalk.com/ >> and >> https://www.facebook.com/ducnet >> _____________________ >> Ducati mailing list -- ducati@list.ducati.net >> To unsubscribe send an email to ducati-leave@list.ducati.net >> Mailto: %(user_address)s > > -- > Garth Williams > 832.731.1968 > garthfw@gmail.com > > > > > To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: > http://www.ductalk.com/ > and > https://www.facebook.com/ducnet > _____________________ > Ducati mailing list -- ducati@list.ducati.net > To unsubscribe send an email to ducati-leave@list.ducati.net > Mailto: %(user_address)s
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Garth Williams
Fri, Jan 22, 2021 2:03 PM

Pags

They definitely do.  It’s not like the track doesn’t have revenue (and they
assuredly have a schedule full of team rentals for testing purposes), but I
think it was built with the near-guarantee that they would have at least
one major event each year. Without either for two years (I’m assuming the
F1 GP won’t happen there this year at this rate), that’s gotta be hurting
them severely.

Please understand that this is conjecture and I am not an insider there.

Garth

On Fri, Jan 22, 2021 at 7:59 AM Tony Pags ajpags@gmail.com wrote:

Do they run moto track events at COTA at all?  Track days, club racing etc?
Pags

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Pags They definitely do. It’s not like the track doesn’t have revenue (and they assuredly have a schedule full of team rentals for testing purposes), but I think it was built with the near-guarantee that they would have at least one major event each year. Without either for two years (I’m assuming the F1 GP won’t happen there this year at this rate), that’s gotta be hurting them severely. Please understand that this is conjecture and I am not an insider there. Garth On Fri, Jan 22, 2021 at 7:59 AM Tony Pags <ajpags@gmail.com> wrote: > Do they run moto track events at COTA at all? Track days, club racing etc? > Pags > -- Garth Williams 832.731.1968 garthfw@gmail.com
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Tony Pags
Fri, Jan 22, 2021 2:08 PM

Yeah, totally understand that.  I was just curious.  Both Loudon and Pocono
wouldn't exist without their NASCAR weekends for sure.

On Fri, Jan 22, 2021 at 9:04 AM Garth Williams garthfw@gmail.com wrote:

Pags

They definitely do.  It’s not like the track doesn’t have revenue (and
they assuredly have a schedule full of team rentals for testing purposes),
but I think it was built with the near-guarantee that they would have at
least one major event each year. Without either for two years (I’m assuming
the F1 GP won’t happen there this year at this rate), that’s gotta be
hurting them severely.

Please understand that this is conjecture and I am not an insider there.

Garth

On Fri, Jan 22, 2021 at 7:59 AM Tony Pags ajpags@gmail.com wrote:

Do they run moto track events at COTA at all?  Track days, club racing
etc?
Pags

Yeah, totally understand that. I was just curious. Both Loudon and Pocono wouldn't exist without their NASCAR weekends for sure. On Fri, Jan 22, 2021 at 9:04 AM Garth Williams <garthfw@gmail.com> wrote: > Pags > > They definitely do. It’s not like the track doesn’t have revenue (and > they assuredly have a schedule full of team rentals for testing purposes), > but I think it was built with the near-guarantee that they would have at > least one major event each year. Without either for two years (I’m assuming > the F1 GP won’t happen there this year at this rate), that’s gotta be > hurting them severely. > > Please understand that this is conjecture and I am not an insider there. > > Garth > > On Fri, Jan 22, 2021 at 7:59 AM Tony Pags <ajpags@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Do they run moto track events at COTA at all? Track days, club racing >> etc? >> Pags >> > >
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Mario Baroz
Fri, Jan 22, 2021 3:15 PM

From what I understand, the state of Texas subsidizes the track contingent upon them hosting these major events.  This is based on the belief that hosting these major events brings in more money to the state than what the subsidies are. Without hosting F1 and MotoGP, COTA could be in danger of losing that subsidy and if that happens, they would quickly become insolvent.  That is what I understand anyway.


From: Tony Pags ajpags@gmail.com
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2021 8:08 AM
To: Ducati Owners Group ducati@list.ducati.net
Subject: [Ducati] Re: COTA taken off the GP schedule

Yeah, totally understand that.  I was just curious.  Both Loudon and Pocono wouldn't exist without their NASCAR weekends for sure.

On Fri, Jan 22, 2021 at 9:04 AM Garth Williams <garthfw@gmail.commailto:garthfw@gmail.com> wrote:
Pags

They definitely do.  It’s not like the track doesn’t have revenue (and they assuredly have a schedule full of team rentals for testing purposes), but I think it was built with the near-guarantee that they would have at least one major event each year. Without either for two years (I’m assuming the F1 GP won’t happen there this year at this rate), that’s gotta be hurting them severely.

Please understand that this is conjecture and I am not an insider there.

Garth

On Fri, Jan 22, 2021 at 7:59 AM Tony Pags <ajpags@gmail.commailto:ajpags@gmail.com> wrote:
Do they run moto track events at COTA at all?  Track days, club racing etc?
Pags

From what I understand, the state of Texas subsidizes the track contingent upon them hosting these major events. This is based on the belief that hosting these major events brings in more money to the state than what the subsidies are. Without hosting F1 and MotoGP, COTA could be in danger of losing that subsidy and if that happens, they would quickly become insolvent. That is what I understand anyway. ________________________________ From: Tony Pags <ajpags@gmail.com> Sent: Friday, January 22, 2021 8:08 AM To: Ducati Owners Group <ducati@list.ducati.net> Subject: [Ducati] Re: COTA taken off the GP schedule Yeah, totally understand that. I was just curious. Both Loudon and Pocono wouldn't exist without their NASCAR weekends for sure. On Fri, Jan 22, 2021 at 9:04 AM Garth Williams <garthfw@gmail.com<mailto:garthfw@gmail.com>> wrote: Pags They definitely do. It’s not like the track doesn’t have revenue (and they assuredly have a schedule full of team rentals for testing purposes), but I think it was built with the near-guarantee that they would have at least one major event each year. Without either for two years (I’m assuming the F1 GP won’t happen there this year at this rate), that’s gotta be hurting them severely. Please understand that this is conjecture and I am not an insider there. Garth On Fri, Jan 22, 2021 at 7:59 AM Tony Pags <ajpags@gmail.com<mailto:ajpags@gmail.com>> wrote: Do they run moto track events at COTA at all? Track days, club racing etc? Pags
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Brian Conner
Fri, Jan 22, 2021 4:11 PM

I think it's primarily a $$$ issue.
They can't really justify the cost & logistics to bring the circus to town for two races (Argentina & COTA)

With no trackside revenue it's probably cost prohibitive on both COTA's and the FIM's part.

Brian


From: Mario Baroz mariobaroz@hotmail.com
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2021 8:15 AM
To: Ducati Owners Group ducati@list.ducati.net
Subject: [Ducati] Re: COTA taken off the GP schedule

From what I understand, the state of Texas subsidizes the track contingent upon them hosting these major events.  This is based on the belief that hosting these major events brings in more money to the state than what the subsidies are. Without hosting F1 and MotoGP, COTA could be in danger of losing that subsidy and if that happens, they would quickly become insolvent.  That is what I understand anyway.


From: Tony Pags ajpags@gmail.com
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2021 8:08 AM
To: Ducati Owners Group ducati@list.ducati.net
Subject: [Ducati] Re: COTA taken off the GP schedule

Yeah, totally understand that.  I was just curious.  Both Loudon and Pocono wouldn't exist without their NASCAR weekends for sure.

On Fri, Jan 22, 2021 at 9:04 AM Garth Williams <garthfw@gmail.commailto:garthfw@gmail.com> wrote:
Pags

They definitely do.  It’s not like the track doesn’t have revenue (and they assuredly have a schedule full of team rentals for testing purposes), but I think it was built with the near-guarantee that they would have at least one major event each year. Without either for two years (I’m assuming the F1 GP won’t happen there this year at this rate), that’s gotta be hurting them severely.

Please understand that this is conjecture and I am not an insider there.

Garth

On Fri, Jan 22, 2021 at 7:59 AM Tony Pags <ajpags@gmail.commailto:ajpags@gmail.com> wrote:
Do they run moto track events at COTA at all?  Track days, club racing etc?
Pags

I think it's primarily a $$$ issue. They can't really justify the cost & logistics to bring the circus to town for two races (Argentina & COTA) With no trackside revenue it's probably cost prohibitive on both COTA's and the FIM's part. Brian ________________________________ From: Mario Baroz <mariobaroz@hotmail.com> Sent: Friday, January 22, 2021 8:15 AM To: Ducati Owners Group <ducati@list.ducati.net> Subject: [Ducati] Re: COTA taken off the GP schedule From what I understand, the state of Texas subsidizes the track contingent upon them hosting these major events. This is based on the belief that hosting these major events brings in more money to the state than what the subsidies are. Without hosting F1 and MotoGP, COTA could be in danger of losing that subsidy and if that happens, they would quickly become insolvent. That is what I understand anyway. ________________________________ From: Tony Pags <ajpags@gmail.com> Sent: Friday, January 22, 2021 8:08 AM To: Ducati Owners Group <ducati@list.ducati.net> Subject: [Ducati] Re: COTA taken off the GP schedule Yeah, totally understand that. I was just curious. Both Loudon and Pocono wouldn't exist without their NASCAR weekends for sure. On Fri, Jan 22, 2021 at 9:04 AM Garth Williams <garthfw@gmail.com<mailto:garthfw@gmail.com>> wrote: Pags They definitely do. It’s not like the track doesn’t have revenue (and they assuredly have a schedule full of team rentals for testing purposes), but I think it was built with the near-guarantee that they would have at least one major event each year. Without either for two years (I’m assuming the F1 GP won’t happen there this year at this rate), that’s gotta be hurting them severely. Please understand that this is conjecture and I am not an insider there. Garth On Fri, Jan 22, 2021 at 7:59 AM Tony Pags <ajpags@gmail.com<mailto:ajpags@gmail.com>> wrote: Do they run moto track events at COTA at all? Track days, club racing etc? Pags
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Kevin Kachadourian
Fri, Jan 22, 2021 4:24 PM

I have not been to COTA, but have been to most of the last MotoGP races at
Laguna Seca and all of the races at Indy; so I will add my two cents,
mostly comparing Indy with Laguna Seca.

  • I agree that Indy really knows how to pull off this sort of event.
    Laguna does their best, but it is not at the same level as Indy.
  • Indy's track is not as interesting as Laguna's, but you can watch
    large portions of the race without the big screens from many places in the
    stands, more so than Laguna.
  • As far as the midfield stuff, vendors, manufacturers, food and
    beverage, I'd say the two are about the same.
  • Laguna has the best motorcycle route to and from the track on Los
    Laureles Grade. Exciting way to start the day when covered in fog, and a
    great way to end the day when it is dry and sunny.
  • Indy has hurricanes, which, as those of us who were there for Ike,
    make for very exciting racing, and viewing (for me, from the top row of the
    Ducati grandstands, trying to hang onto my piece of red cardboard).
  • As I recall, Ducati Island was different but equally satisfying at
    both tracks, though I believe Ducati reduced their support during the years
    at Indy, and so the Island got smaller and less spectacular.

As for COTA, I have never been there, so cannot speak to the logistics, or
what the experience on site is like. But, from watching all MotoGP races on
MotoGP.com and flying over the track (my partner pointed it out to me as we
passed "hey, look - isn't that the MotoGP racetrack? Now you have to go"
and she hates motorcycle racing) I would say it is the best of the three
for MotoGP, in terms of racing; a point Marc Marquez would agree with.

As to my wishes, they are personal and political:

  • I would like to see all three tracks host MotoGP in the same year,
    just so I can go to all three (and so I finally get a chance to go to
    Austin) but,....
  • I don't think it is fair that one country gets 3 events, unless, of
    course, that country is Spain

Kevin

On Fri, 22 Jan 2021 at 07:16, Mario Baroz mariobaroz@hotmail.com wrote:

From what I understand, the state of Texas subsidizes the track contingent
upon them hosting these major events.  This is based on the belief that
hosting these major events brings in more money to the state than what the
subsidies are. Without hosting F1 and MotoGP, COTA could be in danger of
losing that subsidy and if that happens, they would quickly become
insolvent.  That is what I understand anyway.


From: Tony Pags ajpags@gmail.com
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2021 8:08 AM
To: Ducati Owners Group ducati@list.ducati.net
Subject: [Ducati] Re: COTA taken off the GP schedule

Yeah, totally understand that.  I was just curious.  Both Loudon and
Pocono wouldn't exist without their NASCAR weekends for sure.

On Fri, Jan 22, 2021 at 9:04 AM Garth Williams garthfw@gmail.com wrote:

Pags

They definitely do.  It’s not like the track doesn’t have revenue (and
they assuredly have a schedule full of team rentals for testing purposes),
but I think it was built with the near-guarantee that they would have at
least one major event each year. Without either for two years (I’m assuming
the F1 GP won’t happen there this year at this rate), that’s gotta be
hurting them severely.

Please understand that this is conjecture and I am not an insider there.

Garth

On Fri, Jan 22, 2021 at 7:59 AM Tony Pags ajpags@gmail.com wrote:

Do they run moto track events at COTA at all?  Track days, club racing etc?
Pags

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I have not been to COTA, but have been to most of the last MotoGP races at Laguna Seca and all of the races at Indy; so I will add my two cents, mostly comparing Indy with Laguna Seca. - I agree that Indy really knows how to pull off this sort of event. Laguna does their best, but it is not at the same level as Indy. - Indy's track is not as interesting as Laguna's, but you can watch large portions of the race without the big screens from many places in the stands, more so than Laguna. - As far as the midfield stuff, vendors, manufacturers, food and beverage, I'd say the two are about the same. - Laguna has the best motorcycle route to and from the track on Los Laureles Grade. Exciting way to start the day when covered in fog, and a great way to end the day when it is dry and sunny. - Indy has hurricanes, which, as those of us who were there for Ike, make for very exciting racing, and viewing (for me, from the top row of the Ducati grandstands, trying to hang onto my piece of red cardboard). - As I recall, Ducati Island was different but equally satisfying at both tracks, though I believe Ducati reduced their support during the years at Indy, and so the Island got smaller and less spectacular. As for COTA, I have never been there, so cannot speak to the logistics, or what the experience on site is like. But, from watching all MotoGP races on MotoGP.com and flying over the track (my partner pointed it out to me as we passed "hey, look - isn't that the MotoGP racetrack? Now you *have* to go" and she hates motorcycle racing) I would say it is the best of the three for MotoGP, in terms of racing; a point Marc Marquez would agree with. As to my wishes, they are personal and political: - I would like to see all three tracks host MotoGP in the same year, just so I can go to all three (and so I finally get a chance to go to Austin) but,.... - I don't think it is fair that one country gets 3 events, unless, of course, that country is Spain Kevin On Fri, 22 Jan 2021 at 07:16, Mario Baroz <mariobaroz@hotmail.com> wrote: > From what I understand, the state of Texas subsidizes the track contingent > upon them hosting these major events. This is based on the belief that > hosting these major events brings in more money to the state than what the > subsidies are. Without hosting F1 and MotoGP, COTA could be in danger of > losing that subsidy and if that happens, they would quickly become > insolvent. That is what I understand anyway. > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Tony Pags <ajpags@gmail.com> > *Sent:* Friday, January 22, 2021 8:08 AM > *To:* Ducati Owners Group <ducati@list.ducati.net> > *Subject:* [Ducati] Re: COTA taken off the GP schedule > > Yeah, totally understand that. I was just curious. Both Loudon and > Pocono wouldn't exist without their NASCAR weekends for sure. > > On Fri, Jan 22, 2021 at 9:04 AM Garth Williams <garthfw@gmail.com> wrote: > > Pags > > They definitely do. It’s not like the track doesn’t have revenue (and > they assuredly have a schedule full of team rentals for testing purposes), > but I think it was built with the near-guarantee that they would have at > least one major event each year. Without either for two years (I’m assuming > the F1 GP won’t happen there this year at this rate), that’s gotta be > hurting them severely. > > Please understand that this is conjecture and I am not an insider there. > > Garth > > On Fri, Jan 22, 2021 at 7:59 AM Tony Pags <ajpags@gmail.com> wrote: > > Do they run moto track events at COTA at all? Track days, club racing etc? > Pags > > > > > > > To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: > http://www.ductalk.com/ > and > https://www.facebook.com/ducnet > _____________________ > Ducati mailing list -- ducati@list.ducati.net > To unsubscribe send an email to ducati-leave@list.ducati.net > Mailto: %(user_address)s